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We already lost this war!!! the day I have to take my shoes off I lost this war!!! - I'd rather die in a plane full of bombs than being forced to take my shoes off every time I get on a plane. Give me Freedom or Give me Death !!! - we lost our freedom my fellow Americans - everything this country was built on is lost the day you take your shoes of or you have your bags checked!

Excellent article. I fear that all of this high-technology surveillance techniques that we are developing will have the inevitable effect of reducing our freedoms as the government develops more ways of obtaining, storing, and correlating information. There's always a tradeoff between freedom and security and I fear that we are tipping too far on the security side. One example is the monitors that they are developing at airports to determine one's emotional state.

Since President Bush has partnered with Obama's family members and run oil business together I know it was Bush sho had planned the attack on Sep 11th. So, please profile all whites first. If any white people feel it is unfair, well tough it out. YIf you are stupid enough to elect a person who butchers your own kind for money then you deserve that type of treatment.

Some of you are absolutely terrible. They aren't "hurting Richard Reid's feelings" or anything like that. They are discriminating against millions of people! A friend of mine has her citizenship of our dear old country yet simply because she was born in Pakistan she gets physically searched and patted down EVERY time she boards a plane. More than 50% of the time she gets "randomly" interviewed and more than once has missed her flight due to this.

She has NO criminal record, no ties with ANY terrorist groups in Pakistan (in fact all of her family and friends are 100% clean), she's lived here for approx 20 years (and she's only 29). The Government has had 20 years to figure out she's ok, yet they STILL discriminate against her and cause her all these unnecessary hardships.

The father was a victim in a mass bombing attack, which prompted the move to North America. They wanted to get away from the radical and extremist ways of Pakistan yet that's EXACTLY what they are receiving here simply for the "crime" of being born somewhere else.

It's disgusting.

I can tell you from personal experience. They are too busy trying to keep out a 40+ year old woman from Ireland but they can't and don't work on keeping out a 20 or 30 something year old from getting on a airplane after knowing he was in camps and visited with those that wish us harm. I am having one hell of a time getting my fiance into the us, ok she had a 9 day overstay 7 years ago. But still. It has been a long time and she isn't one that is going to blow up a bloody plane. Profile the right people and you will see it slow down to less than a trickle. I worked for TSA, they told us NOT to profile. I did anyway. If it looked like a duck and quacked like a duck then it's a duck. One of people I profiled had 5 knives on thier person and baggage they carried on. 5 folks. If I hadn't looked at him with suspcion he would have gotten on a plane with no problem. I think I kept about a dozen or so people from getting thier knives or other sharp instruments from getting on flights in about a 5 month period. I caught them while working at the gates. Oh, I told TSA that they shouldn't stop doing those gate checks. They didn't believe me. I travel a lot and I don't care if I'm stopped and checked extra. Security is the most important and if they can keep people from thinking about doing anything then so be it. For those that do fly. Please if someone is trying to blow up the plane don't just stop them but beat them until they are dead. If I were the Pres and you did that, I'd give you a medal. Think security people and don't give TSA agents at the gates a hard time. Help them do their job and if you see they aren't doing what you think they should be doing, tell someone. It is your safety and you should do what you can. As far as bringing baggage on board? Who cares. Bring it along. Just don't pack it full. Keep it to a minimum. I think it's stupid that you can't have a blanket on during the last hour of your flight. Gets pretty cold. The flight attendent should be able to check anytime they want and as often as they feel. If you are feeling sick and have to use the toilet, let the filght attendent know. Just help people out in being safe. That is the best things you can do.

Here's a solution: Put competent people in charge of airport security. And stop with the window dressing, "puffer machines" etc. And stop searching grandma and grandpa !!

A solid screening protocol would be more effective than just spending more money on technology.

Spoofing of the full body screeners (millimeter wave technology)is possible and inexpensive.

prj, Phoenix, AZ :"Profile passengers. "

Absolutely.
So all black nigerian or otherwise), arab-looking (which would include indians, sikhs, pakistani's etc) and white males (ala timothy mcveigh or the unabomber), men with beards, people who wear shoes, people who wear underwear are to be profiled and subject to additional screening.

Why don't we ask people to list their race and religious leanings on their passport? then we can profile it simply by looking at the passport (and a terrorist would NEVER be smart enough to say he's a 'christian' when applying for his passport).

BRILLIANT idea.

Nigerians are basically non violent. I have had the opportunity of living and working in Nigeria. I believe the United Kingdom where the christmas day terror suspect was recruited while schooling should rather be on that list instead of Nigeria where the only warning about the Mutallab Thug came from.

Responding to Karen, Harrisonburg, VA . what is the rational of preventing over 150 million law abiding people from entering the USA legitimately because of the misguided action of One person. your comments are totally against the American spirit of fair play and justice. you still live in the Nazi era and thats a serious problem

I agree with all the people who are for profiling. If the muslims don't like it, tough! They can thank Bin Laden and his murderers when they have to undergo a body-cavity search.

Fly Naked.

Easy solution. We need to just butt out of the other countries business and stop telling them how to run their affairs and threatening them when they don't follow or measure up to our ideals. That is what tends to piss people off. Plain and simple

The US should force our Canadian airport unions to back security checks of the Airport workers to clean out the criminals and gang members that work in them. A lot of have been arrested for drug smuggling. What else will they sell out? Our Feds don't have the guts to take on those unions. Maybe the US could light a flame under their butts?

The analogy to David taking Goliath with a stone is simply misunderstanding of the effectiveness of a sling and a stone. These were routinely used in warfare--the distance and accuracy relative to the skill of the user. David was chosen for his proven skill in the use of the sling. Goliath made the mistake of removing his helmet, but even so the nose split style would've been an adequate target for a skilled person with a sling. These were not rubber band slings.

we must all learn to love the glove. Grab yer ankles and spread them cheeks to feel safe.

I agree that it is "the perception of safety" that everyone seems to be paying out for. Why keep people out of the country just because we have bombed them and invaded their countries illegally? Don't we owe them that? We destroyed their country. We should give them ours to make up for it. Say, and look, war hasn't made anyone any safer. We killed Saddam and took over Iraq and we have been fighting in Afghanistan all these years, and if anything, it has made us and all those places less safe. Obviously, war was not the solution. Maybe we should just learn to tough it out. I mean, suppose we had just said that the attack on 9/11 was perpetrated by our own government to get us into the Iraq war?(and it was) And done nothing? There would be an awful lot of innocent people in Iraq that would still be alive, and still cussing Saddam, even though, by now they have figured out it was better with Saddam than with us there. Maybe we just killed all those people so they would know the truth about us. Too, there would have been a lot of US soldiers still alive and a lot of families that weren't grieving their loss. When will we ever learn? The truth is, if any of us were over there, we would probably be agreeing with the "terrorists" and suicide bombers that only see us as "the enemy".

No system will be perfect, but the best will include a wide variety of techniques. I'm generally against racial profiling, but I think we could make a case for that protection being for American citizens. We gender profile all the time, but you don't hear too many complaints unless it's some restrictive discrimination. Israel uses "behavior profiling", even though is probably other profiling going on too.

The system Israel uses wouldn't be completely practical for all American traffic because of the volume differences, however there's aspects we could adapt. First we need better trained and better paid people in TSA. (We trust our lives to a lot of people making only slightly more than minimum wage. When your career choices are WalMart greeter or TSA screener, what do you expect?) We also need to realize that the job we expect them to do is to find the needle in the haystack. We're probably talking about finding that one in a hundred million case. That means the pure monotony of the job itself leads to the likelihood that the one instance will be missed.

The best solution is to test, and test often. That means "fake terrorists" all the time. A large team dedicated to beating the system. Get it to where one in 20,000 is a "terror threat". Pay bonuses when they catch one and re-instruction when they're missed, including potential discipline/termination. Let your test team get creative too, and give them bonuses for getting past security. If your test team can think of it, so can the terrorists, so it would be effective as a way to discover potential future threats.

In order to deal with the volume of travellers, the system needs to be layered and at every level it could be not just a pass/fail result, but a graded level. Depending on the grade, additional layers may or may not apply. Additionally, a system that randomly raises threat grades from time to time, could be helpful, as an individual wouldn't know why he got extra attention. All this is, at best, a combination of technology and "human factor" methods. You could even go so far as to reward those innocent who are inconvenienced beyond typical, with free flights or travel vouchers. Maybe a strip search gets you a free vacation! This might make things a bit more tolerable.

This is a "cat and mouse" game, but with potentially high priced consequences. If the cat doesn't constantly adapt, the mouse will win.

Bravo, Hurray to Walt Edwards, now the terrorist have a fresh and new idea to attack the US.

Remember, you are more likely to be killed by lightning than by terrorism. Think about where all the counter-terroism money could of gone to (safer roads, healther choices, etc.)

SOO Stupid! Just profile the dude, don't let him on the plane.

Did he even have a visa?

Profiling (in the sense of singling out a particular demographic for extra security checks) can give a short-term benefit, but will generate a long-term loss in security. If I know that airport security is looking for Black/Middle-Eastern men between 18-39 then I'll get an old white woman to carry my bomb because she will breeze through airport security. In this area drug smugglers are extremely advanced, using the most unlikely looking people as drug mules (college students, mothers with kids, old people). Using profiling to stop terrorists will just result in similar tactics.

It's interesting how many people have mentioned that we use Israel's method of security here. Connecting the dots a little bit more, it's our support for the Israeli methodology in general that has annoyed these people so much that they want to attack us as well. But God forbid anyone ever mention that!

SOLUTION: drill for oil and build nuclear plants or what has happen to Japan for the last 20 years will be our story!!

It'll create the needed jobs, stop the transfer of wealth and make our country more secure!! Also, step up spending on defense products since we have several countries intent on destruction and growing terrorism! Keep the green revolution going and it will help, but will only account for a fraction of what we need! You want good paying jobs now and confidence and spending to improve, this appears to be the only way!! Thanks

Ditto to dmg. I am a paralegal working for a private lawyer practicing immigration law. We need to make stricter laws and enforce them. I see this every day where someone is an overstay and yet they are allowed to get married to a US citizen and get a green card. Then after a few years, they can become a US citizen and petition for their relatives.

Or they come here as a tourist but all the while with the intent to marry a US citizen or with the intent to never leave. Very irritating. These foreigners take advantage of our country and have no respect for our laws. If I were to travel to another country, I wouldn't think that I could stay as long as I wanted.

Clients tell us that the visa interview is only 5 minutes and no real questions are asked before granting the visa. We can put all the high tech gadgets at the airports, but it never will take the place of a visa officer scrutinizing someone's visa application. Even the visa application is a joke. Sure it asks if you've ever been arrested anywhere in the world, deported from the US, broken any US laws, etc. But all one has to do is check NO, and it's GRANTED.

No easy fixes, but it all starts with better visa screening and tougher laws. Extremely frustrating.

The problem is our legal system. The Imams that were thought to be a threat got rich. And some additional idiots tried to emulate them so they could collect too.
No one should be allowed to sue because they were searched, delayed or whatever for security reasons, profiling or not.

Of course high tech is not a cure all. Brains and the guts to be politically incorrect would also help but these seem to be always in short supply with government bureaucrats.

Profiling is racism and it hardly ever works and if it does it's by sheer luck. If someone commits a murder and a white guy is a suspect should we arrest all the white people in the area? No. Terrorists aren't always from the middle east people they can be Americans, Africans, and Europeans to. All because someone is muslim doesn't mean he has explosives strapped to his chest and is plotting mass murder. Technology will never stop terrorism from happening if you want to commit terrorism. We have to make the consequences outweigh the risks.

The federal government wastes millions of dollars to reinvent everything. Casinos have already installed a face recognition system that works all over the world in every Casino keeping barred players out and has worked for years. The Fed’s cannot use this system? Israel uses 18 year olds to screen people and do not go through bags, are very pleasant – not US Screeners that take anything and everything and for the most part can be extremely rude. The US can only take things because we are stupid? Ask the ex- head of Israel security why the US will not listen to him.

I totally agree with almost all comments, including "If it looks like a duck ..." Some of the solutions our idiot government should be looking at are the simple and obvious ones. How many non-muslims have come from the outside to attack the USA in our war against terrorism? None that I can remember! Duhhhh? What is the next step? Those who have attacked us are ALL Muslims from muslim countries. Do I need to spell it all out Mr. Obama? The second step is to start some wholesale firing of gutless wimps in high places in Washington and get some people in there with balls who don't want to make the federal government a career, but people who REALLY care about the county more than they do themselves! The most obvious point is to emulate Israel to the extent we can. Go there and learn from them!! That is not exactly rocket science. Another possibility is to isolate all musilm countries to the extent possible by not allowing any planes fromt he west to go to any raghead country and not allow any raghead plane to go to or land fly over or land in a western country! Allow no muslims into England or other countries in Europe period. Do you hear me Washington, D.C.? I too am waiting for the chance to strangle some muslim son of a bitch in a plane after he pulls a gun on me or a crew member! God help his miserable body if I get my hands around his scrawny neck!! Viva drones with Hellfire missiles! ... but while I am at it let me comment on pirates from Somalia. Hear me US Navy! Recommission to or three older, mothballed aircraft carriers. Refurbish them for active duty on an expedited manner. Us them mostly for helicopters, Harrier jump jets and those mini "AWACS" planes the Navy has. Go along the coast, and napalm, strafe and otherwise bomb anything and everything that looks like a boat ... from a rowboat to an ocean going liner. Have planes in the air 24/7 and I don't mean one here and one there. If it looks like a pirate .... well, you fill in the rest.

This sounds like a lot of smoke mirrors.

We have 20 million to 40 million illegal criminals in this country that our government wants to give amnesty too “Rep. Gutierrez (D) introduces amnesty bill!”. There are more terrorist coming across our borders than will ever come by plain.

All these comments I read, here, and on other sites say about the same thing. We need to check people out and who cares if they like it or not. why don't we?
LAWYERS.............

There's the problem................

There is no question that all by itself hi-tech is not the cure all. But it's a great place to start. We need to end the overseas wars, and spend the money here to make this country safer for air travel.

When you go to "war" with a concept it never turns out well. Terrorism is a concept just like drugs or communism, two other things we have failed to defeat. If anything, we have created more enemies than we have eliminated threats in each of these scenarios. Like those above have said, we are fast to give up liberty in lieu of security, but security is a myth. Traffic incidents kill more people annually than most of the airline terrorist plots combined and yet we do not give up our cars. Ultimately we have allowed the terrorists to succeed, because we are scared and terrified of their actions and thus change our way of life for them.

When it is all said and done, we are no better off or safer today than yesterday, than last year, than last decade.

As I said, we are doing no better at the "war on terror" now than the 80's "war on drugs". We put a lot of people in jail but have not stopped drug trafficing, the same is true with terrorists. They are each like a medusa, for each head you cut off two more grow back in its place.

Why did noone in the foreign airports stop this person. Why did the person who accepted the cash payment for the ticket do so? Why is it the responibility of the US government to figure all this out from bits of information from the ethers? Why is it alright for the constitution to be thrown aside? I remember the feelings of those germans who were not allowed in the US during WW2. It was not right to put Japanese Americans in detainment camps. Why is it alright now? Terrorism is a tactic that is used to destroy a culture or people through their own fear. We are doing a good job helping them. No matter what we do (and I am not saying we shouldn't have some screening) someone will figure out a way to terrorize us especially if we all panic and have knee jerk reactions.

Hi Tom,

Profiling did catch Richard Reid. Actually he was kicked off a flight the day before. G-d only knows why he was allowed on a plane to the US, maybe we didn't want to hurt his feelings.

Richard Reid was an admitted memeber of Al Qaeda who converted to Islam and attended the radical Finsbury Park Mosque in North London.

He bought a ONE WAY TICKET.
He was paying in CASH.
He had NO LUGGAGE!
The US Embassy KNEW (as per a phone call to the airline) he was bad news.
He was DENIED A VISA TO THE UK - his home!
He just came back from YEMEN!
He was already in one of the government's surveillance databases
He is exactlly the person that would have been pulled aside for further search if profiling was used.

What's the solution?
Have millions of people take off their shoes!!!
Brilliant.

This sounds like a lot of smoke screen BS.

We have 20 million to 40 million illegal criminals in this country that our government wants to give amnesty too “Rep. Gutierrez (D) introduces amnesty bill!”.

There are more terrorist coming across our borders than will ever come by plain.

I'm curious to know what Depends will look like on a body scan. Will TSA be doing diaper checks now?

even the great wall did not stop the nomad from north from entering china

Profile passengers. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it probably is a duck...

It is all a waste of money designed to make people have the illusion of feeling better.
Personally, I believe there is nothing to be gained by this extra maneuver to abuse the unreasonable search ban written in the constitution. We are quite aware the insecure rich are quite willing to give up constitutional rights of the majority inorder to have a false sense of security.
I would rather have the constitutuional liberties and risk the hijack and exercise more traditonal vengeance on the peropetrators, and at the same time reserve the right to personally kill on hteplane anyone who threatens my life if I catch him in the act, and claim self defense.
I would get a thrill and be considered a hero.and would get my rocks off takingout my hostility oin my would be murderer.
AS it is I hate flying and will not buy an air ticket becaus of all the securoty hassles which make me feel that I have no constituional liberty.
We do have the freedom to choose with whom we do business, and as long as airline security violates my constitutional liberty ,I can live without air travel.

I now always drive in preference to air travel,and do not mind taking the extra few hours involved as it is worth it.

If you are in a hurry to get there, like business people always are then I suppose you must put up with air travel,

For international flights a car willnot work as a substitute, but international travel is usually a dream for those who do not do foreign travle as business.

With regard tothe captured hijacker. HE was willing to die, so his execution shold not be a major upset concering international policy.

HE is a common crininal and deserves the reward of one who would kill women and children. Release him to the general prison population though and let them render their justice, and do not give special treatement to such individuals in priswon.

By releasing such terrorists to domestic prisons our own gangs will deal proper justice to such assholes.

what happened to Daumer can happen to htis guy and no one will give a damn.

If nothing else tbhe terrorists shold be afraid of the American prison population.

We all love it when assholes are murdered in prison

Thanks to political correctist this problem will continue to perpetuate itself because no one has the balls to do the right thing. Profile, PrOfIlE, PROFILE. Even that will not solve all the unanswered questions, but, it will cover about 99% of them. When are we going to stop sacrificing human lives at the expense of these correctist. PROFILE, PROFILE, PROFILE

Can somebody explain why we are letting any male between the age of 15 and 80 from any of the 14 countries listed into this country? During WWII, we did not let Germans, Italians and Japanese into this country; we were at war. We are not acting like we are at war now. I have thought since 9/11/01 that we should not let anyone into this country that fits a profile. I believe in discrimination in the original sense of the word-recognizing the distinctions between people.

I very much agree with the first comment posted herein.
I must conclude that Mr.Obama acts very presidential, but that is about the sum and substance of the matter.
He appears to me to be the great pretender with a bad excuse for everything that panders to the hopes of the voters.
I expect that Mr bush likely would be the same, in this situation.
What the US needs to do is pass some tough law in regard to threatening the well being of innocent people, anywhere for any reason.
I,for one an fed up with reading the newspaper every morning that folks in Yemen or some other place don't like the USA. Too Bad,I say.
The best thing since sliced bread is the invention of the unmanned airplane and guided missiles. They take out the thugs without much warning!

Jake. Liberty Forever, eh?

Hey Kal,

It's not political correctness, it's intellectual honesty.

Profiling would never have caught Richard Reid from England.

"When you create a hard way and an easy way through security, you invite the bad buys to figure out how to take the easy way."

So, why bother with the airplanes? Excuse me, but has anyone noticed that the next most obvious and likely target is security itself? One well designed bomb, wheeled as carry on luggage into security lines and detonated could blow a ten foot hole in the ground, kill hundreds of people, including TSA employees, and vaporize a lot of very expensive scanners, the uselessness of which should be obvious. Coordinate the attack for multiple sites and you have 9-11 all over again, except this time the government is on its knees. Aviation is shut down for days, if not weeks, and no one has an answer. Prediction: Sooner or later ALL carry on luggage will be banned, because there is no other way to protect security itself...

The whole Christmas Day incident boils down to bad decisions made by incompetent government employees at all levels. These days, every retired cop who wants a second career is suddenly a "counter-terrorism expert." Federal agencies are filled with "experts" who have decision-making authority but haven't got a clue. They BS by with fancy titles, falsified resumes and degrees, and power ties. Then they have some assistant arrange to have authority figures stand behind them at the podium during televised press conferences to impress the simple-minded masses with their power and credibility. When things go wrong, they go into "damage control" mode until the public and the media forgive/forget, then it's back to business as usual.

It's time the American people stopped believing all they hear and read,(assuming they can read anything more than a fast-food menu) and start thinking for themselves.

HI RECH DEVICES DON'T HAVE PMS PEOPLE DO SO THE HI TECH DEVICE WILL ALWAY WIN.

Mr. Schneier was on a Radio program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. last night. The interviewer asked him about the applying the Israeli model. He basically said it wouldn't work because of the difference in scale. He said that Israel has 1 small international airport the size of a small city in the US. When you extend it out to an airport the size of Kennedy or O'Hare or LAX it just won't work because there are just too many factors that could come into play.

We need to review our immigration, visa laws and restrict people from certain countries from entering our borders....too bad so sad...we are not a dumping ground for others rejects or irrational thinkers. Our educational system is inferior to the rest of the world as it is and still they come siting a education visa.... REVIEW and RESTRICT.

"Once you profile, you invite the bad guys to get around the profile,"

Politically correct BS.

How many red flags do you need?
Any amateur shouldn't have let this guy, or the shoe bomber on any plane.

An extremist boarding a plane with a one way ticket paid in cash and a relative warned the embassy.

But G-d forbid we'll hurt his feelings.
So what’s the “obvious” solution?

Please allow me to translate “there is some value in taking steps simply to reassure the public.”
Translation: instead of admitting our mistakes we are instead going to make life difficult for the other 150 million people who are flying in the US every year to make them believe we are actually taking care of the problem.

Bunch of bureaucratic cowards and idiots!!!!

Remember, David took out Goliath with a stone.

That making better use of, and acting on available information would yield a better result almost seems a no-brainer!

The article quotes author Bruce Schneier:
"Once you profile, you invite the bad guys to get around the profile"

The Israelis have apparently enjoyed superior results with profiling ...

It makes sense to focus 90% of your efforts on the 10% of travelers who present the greatest risk ... the Isreali security apparatus and the Isreali people understand this.